May 9, 1995 (regular)
May 09 1995
The Board of County Commissioners of Brevard County, Florida, met in regular session on May 9, 1995, at 6:26 p.m. in the Government Center Board Room, Building C, 2725 St. Johns Street, Melbourne, Florida. Present were: Chairman Nancy Higgs, Commissioners Truman Scarborough, Randy O'Brien, Mark Cook, and Scott Ellis, County Manager Tom Jenkins, and Assistant County Attorney Lisa Troner.
The Invocation was given by Dr. Bill Mar, First Baptist Church of Cocoa, Cocoa, Florida.
Chairman Higgs led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
AUTHORIZATION, RE: LETTER IN SUPPORT OF RELOCATION OF COMAIR AVIATION ACADEMY TO BREVARD COUNTY
Commissioner O'Brien stated Comair Aviation Academy is located at Sanford Airport, employs 100 people, teaches 200 students, and has 60 aircraft. He stated the annual economic impact is $24 million; the school is accredited and offers degrees in aviation; and the student population is expected to double in the next two years. He stated he has been working with the Tico Airport Authority to convince Comair Aviation Academy to relocate to Tico; Kissimmee is the only other choice, but it has no control tower or instrument landing system; and the decision from Comair is imminent. He requested the Board authorize sending a letter in support of the Titusville-Cocoa Airport Authority's efforts to attract the Comair Aviation Academy to the County; and read aloud the letter.
Motion by Commissioner O'Brien, seconded by Commissioner Cook, to authorize the Chairman to sign and send a letter to Comair Aviation Academy supporting its relocation to Brevard County. Motion carried and ordered unanimously.
APPOINTMENT, RE: HISTORICAL COMMISSION
Chairman Higgs requested a motion to appoint Ronald Senne to the Historical Commission.
Motion by Commissioner Scarborough, seconded by Commissioner Cook, to appoint Ronald Senne, 7070 U.S. Highway 1, Grant, to the Historical Commission. Motion carried and ordered unanimously.
PERSONAL APPEARANCE - LEON BERGER AND JEWISH WAR VETERANS, RE: RESOLUTION WELCOMING JEWISH WAR VETERANS TO BREVARD COUNTY
Chairman Higgs stated Mr. Berger represents the Jewish War Veterans; the Board is happy to have a number of his colleagues present tonight; and this is a special week for veterans.
Commissioner Ellis read aloud a resolution welcoming the Jewish War Veterans to Brevard County for their Annual Convention to be held July 6, through July 9, 1995.
Motion by Commissioner Ellis, seconded by Commissioner Scarborough, to adopt Resolution welcoming the Jewish War Veterans.
Commissioner Ellis presented the Resolutions to Mr. Berger and the Jewish War Veterans.
Leon Berger, 573 Dianne Drive, Melbourne, stated the Jewish War Veterans try to do what they can in the name of America and patriotism; some of the members in South Florida have raised money to buy an emergency services vehicle; and hopefully the Brevard County members will have enough to be able to do things like that. He noted the Jewish War Veterans have felt discrimination and prejudice in the past; and they now stand for the American concept against such bigotry and discrimination. He stated he is astounded to see so many religions, races, etc. hate each other; America enjoys freedom; but in Europe the people also enjoyed freedom until Hitler, Stalin, and the others came along. He stated there are skinheads, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups; the Constitution gives them freedom of speech; but it is more a matter of sedition and inciting to riot than freedom; Hitlerism could crop up here; and he hates to see it. He stated there is only one type of patriot you can be sure is free of any prejudice, discrimination, or bigotry; and displayed a picture of a baby.
Mr. Berger expressed appreciation for the Resolution.
PERSONAL APPEARANCE - FRANK MOHME, RE: DREDGING OF CENTRAL AVENUE COLLECTOR CHANNEL
Frank Mohme, 1760 Rochelle Parkway, Merritt Island, stated he is present in behalf of 486 waterfront homeowners who use one collector channel going into the Banana River; he appeared before the Board in August, 1994 to inform the Board of the problem, and request something be done about it; and he sent a number of the items of information to Commissioners O'Brien and Cook. He stated there is a serious silting problem on the collector channel; he talked with the Property Appraiser last August about doing something because the people are paying for waterfront property; and approximately $66,000 goes into the County's General Fund each year because of the assessed valuation differential because of waterfront property. He stated all the taxing authorities see approximately $271,000 as a result of the waterfront; and he has a problem when he is told there is difficulty getting money to dredge the channels. He advised of petitions which have been gathered. He stated one was a reassessment request petition which went to the Property Appraiser; and the second petition is to the Board requesting the channel be made proper. He submitted the petitions and three aerial photographs. He stated there are three things that go into the dredging process; one is permitting; and he is told that is expensive and time consuming. He stated the second is finding a place to put the spoil which is also very expensive, and he has been told the least expensive part is doing the job. He stated there is an item in the State called maintenance dredging; a presentation was given in Commissioner O'Brien's Office; and the process is streamlined and the cost nominal if a channel has been in existence since a certain date. He stated there are two owners of parcels of land who will provide area for the spoil to be placed on, at no cost to the County; and when the County begins the permitting process, he will provide it with the names and addresses of the two owners. He stated $66,000 a year goes into the General Fund; the channel has not been dredged in eleven to twelve years; and that equals $600,000 to $700,000 just in General Funds.
Commissioner O'Brien stated you have to spend money to make money; and if the County does not start spending some money to dredge this major canal, money will be lost in depreciated property values. He stated the homeowners have been paying these taxes for years without getting any return; and it is incumbent upon the County to work with the homeowners to develop a plan, and to find the resources and funds. He stated it is not fair to the homeowners.
Commissioner Ellis inquired if the channel is being dredged, not the canal. Mr. Mohme stated he is not talking about the five miles of canals that go to each one's back yard; he is talking about the main collection channel which serves the people; and it is like the entrance to the subdivision. Commissioner Ellis inquired if the channel is not covered under the Florida Inland Navigational District. Mr. Mohme stated he does not know who covers what; but the City of Cocoa Beach did get the money to purchase a dredge; and that can be made available to the County to do the dredging with F.I.N.D. money. He stated he does not know the procedure; but someone from the County could contact the City of Cocoa Beach for more information. Commissioner Ellis stated if it is done through F.I.N.D., it has silt sites throughout the County. Mr. Mohme stated he has the situation of where to put it resolved. Commissioner Ellis stated Mr. Mohme may think it has been resolved; but the neighbors of the parcels may not think those are the proper sites to put the silt; and if F.I.N.D. already has silt sites, they should be able to be used. Commissioner Ellis stated his concern is getting hung up on that at the permitting stage.
Motion by Commissioner Ellis, seconded by Commissioner O'Brien, to direct the County Manager to meet with the homeowners who are requesting dredging of the Central Avenue Collector Channel to come up with options to address the problem. Motion carried and ordered unanimously.
Commissioner O'Brien advised of the activities which will occur. Mr. Mohme advised this will go on without him, as he will be leaving for the summer.
The meeting recessed at 6:49 p.m. and reconvened at 7:05 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARING, RE: PROPOSED RATES, EQUIPMENT AND INSTALLATION COST CHANGES FOR TCI CABLEVISION, INC. FRANCHISE, TIME WARNER CABLE FRANCHISE, AND FALCON CABLE TV FRANCHISE
Chairman Higgs called for the public hearing on the proposed rates, equipment and installation cost changes for TCI Cablevision, Inc. franchise.
Chairman Higgs stated she received a number of calls today regarding this franchise which serves Barefoot Bay and Snug Harbor; and inquired what control over the rates does the County have. Special Projects Coordinator Sharon Luba advised the basic tier rates is all that is being considered tonight; and the guidelines and criteria set by the FCC for the basic rates have been met by all three companies.
Commissioner Cook inquired if TCI Cablevision came in recently for another increase. Ms. Luba advised Time Warner requested an increase. Commissioner Cook stated the requested increases are substantial. Ms. Luba stated the forty-four cents was the adjustment for inflation from September, 1992 through June, 1994. County Manager Tom Jenkins stated the FCC rules are included in the attachment to IV.A; and advised if the County does not approve the rates or modifies them, it must provide reasons indicating the rates are not consistent with FCC guidelines, and must indicate in writing the reason for disapproving the rate increase. He noted public notice of the decision must be given and text made available to the public; and the cable television company has the burden of providing the proposed rates comply with the guidelines. Commissioner Cook stated he tried to get information; but if the company is going to come back every few months to ask for a rate increase, he is uncomfortable with that; and before he could vote for this, he would need additional information. He stated he has gotten calls from people on fixed incomes whose only entertainment is watching television; and there is a lot of concern.
Chairman Higgs stated she would be supportive of continuing the public hearing on the three items to a future date, to allow the citizens to further review the proposal; the County has the FCC filing on each of the items; and inquired if the items could be continued to the next Board meeting.
Motion by Commissioner Cook, seconded by Commissioner O'Brien, to continue the public hearing to consider proposed rate, equipment, and installation charges for TCI Cablevision, Inc., Time Warner Cable, and Falcon Cable TV to May 16, 1995.
Commissioner Scarborough inquired if the public hearing can be continued for four years, noting the Board cannot deny the proposed rates. Chairman Higgs stated with all of the action in the Legislature and Congress relating to communications, it may be that sort of thing. She stated cards were submitted. Commissioner Cook stated his research shows a rate increase has never been denied. Chairman Higgs noted the County only had the basic tier service for less than a year as a responsibility of the Board. Commissioner O'Brien stated the documents represent required justification for changes in the regulated equipment installation rates; and so they are documenting justification. Commissioner Scarborough inquired if Commissioner Cook would consider continuing the public hearing to June, 1995.
George Rosenfield requested the opportunity to talk because he will not be present at the June meeting.
Commissioner Cook withdrew the motion.
George Rosenfield, 1289 Bonaventure Drive, Melbourne, requested the entire rate structure to be re-examined; the citizens are being ripped off by the cable companies; and advised of a comparison of rates between Brevard County and Pinellas County. He inquired why the people in Pinellas County pay so much less than those in Brevard County. He noted he asked that question of the Cable company last year and got less than satisfactory results. He stated there is something wrong with the system when someone pays so much less for the service than the people in Brevard County do.
Commissioner Cook requested Ms. Luba provide the Board with comparisons with different counties. Ms. Luba advised this is only the basic rates, not the total rates; and there are representatives present from TCI and Falcon Cable. She noted Time Warner had an emergency in its Orlando Office this afternoon, and everything had to be evacuated.
Motion by Commissioner Cook, seconded by Commissioner Scarborough, to continue the public hearing to consider proposed rates, equipment and installation cost changes for TCI Cablevision, Inc., Time Warner Cable Franchise and Falcon Cable TV to June 6, 1995. Motion carried and ordered unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARING, RE: ORDINANCE SETTING FORTH THE THIRD SMALL SCALE PLAN AMENDMENT OF 1995, 95.S.3, AMENDING FUTURE LAND USE MAP SERIES
Chairman Higgs called for the public hearing to consider an ordinance setting the Third Small Scale Plan Amendment of 1995, 95.S.3, amending the Future Land Use Map Series.
Hilda Patterson, 2760 Allen Hill Avenue, Melbourne, stated she has lived at her current address for 35 years; the property to be rezoned heavy industry abuts her property; and requested action not be approved. She stated there is a short paved road which dead-ends at the railroad; a few years ago the County advised if the road was torn up, it would not fix it; they locked the gates so MacAsphalt cannot use the road; but if the people next to her on the north side of Allen Hill Avenue get rezoned, they will be allowed to use the road. She noted there are only six houses on the street; if one parcel is rezoned, they will all be rezoned; and the residential people are being run out. She stated she requested rezoning in 1987 and she was refused rezoning to BU-2, so she is still stuck there.
Chris Broomfield, 2209 Rockledge Drive, Rockledge, representing six landowners in Pineda Industrial Park, stated they are seeking a Small Scale Land Use Amendment, not a rezoning. He stated in 1977 the property was zoned to light industrial; he bought his half-acre in the industrial park in 1985, zoned light industrial; and he developed the property. He stated in 1988, the Comprehensive Land Use Plan was adopted, changing his property from Planned Industrial Park, but not changing the zoning. He stated it has changed the amount of setbacks, and the amount of land required to develop; it went from half-acre and to a minimum of one acre to develop; and all of the properties in the industrial park are half-acres. He stated what they are asking for is to amend the land use back to what it was, but there is no zoning change; they are not heavy industrial; they are light industrial, and always have been; and they would like to be able to develop their property. He stated they will not be doing any kind of heavy industrial work; it is going back to light industrial; PIP is light industrial; but half-acres cannot be developed under PIP. He stated there is still a buffer zone to the north end; to the south is MacAsphalt and Atlantic Materials; and to the west is the railroad; so the only place the light industrial abuts residential is to the east, and there are only two lots that can be developed in that area.
Chairman Higgs inquired if Mr. Broomfield is the applicant; with Mr. Broomfield responding he is representing the applicants. Chairman Higgs stated the County is not the applicant; with Planner I Todd Corwin advising that is correct. Chairman Higgs stated normally the applicant is allowed to go first; and she will allow five minutes after the last speaker to make any concluding statements.
James Munnis, 6370 North Harbor City Boulevard, Melbourne, stated he and his wife own and operate the Big Oak Trailer Park; they are directly to the east, and abut the property in question; and they are opposed to the position as presented. He stated it is not just presented for light industry, but for heavy or light industry; and the concern is not having heavy industry in the area. He stated the property has been zoned for light industry since 1977; and the future use should not go beyond what it has been zoned. He noted he wrote to each Commissioner expressing his concerns; the Land Use Citizens Resource Group, Local Planning Agency, and the Planning staff are all in agreement to limit this use for future use as light industry; but to approve the future use designation of heavy or light industry is opening doors for possibly heavy industry zoning. He stated someone coming in after the meeting could apply for heavy or light industrial. He stated there is a mobile home park north of the property; it is not a recreational vehicle park; and there are more than 200 residents. He stated there are 20 spaces in his park directly to the east; and there are five residences in the area. He stated he does not mind light industry; that is what has been there; and advised of problems they have experienced with MacAsphalt. He stated the petition is for heavy or light industry; and he does not know why if the applicant just wants light industry.
Mr. Corwin stated the land use category is heavy and light industrial; it does not delineate between heavy and light industrial; it allows both; and at the zoning level, the industry is broken into two categories.
Commissioner Cook stated if the applicant ever wanted heavy industrial, he would have to apply for it, which would require another public hearing.
Mr. Munnis stated that is what he was trying to avoid by saying this land is for future use as proposed industrial park; and he could argue that because it gives limitations; but if the applicant wants to get a variance and get beyond the proposed industrial park, that is fine. He stated the heavy industry is like a thorn in the side; it opens the door for someone to come in and ask for heavy industrial zoning; and the Board is saying that is okay for future use. He stated it seems there is only one category, heavy or light industrial; and suggested having two categories, with heavy industry if it is noisy, or having some amendment that would say the future land use for this property is only for light industrial use.
Commissioner Cook stated he went to the site and looked at the adjoining properties; and it is confusing when the Comprehensive Plan says heavy or light industrial. He stated the property is currently zoned light industrial; by changing the Comprehensive Plan, the zoning will not change; so essentially the same uses will be there, but this will bring it into compliance with the Comprehensive Plan. He stated if someone wanted heavy industry, he would have to apply for a zoning change to heavy industry; and if that occurred, there would be another public hearing to change the zoning. He stated right now changing the Comprehensive Plan does not change the zoning; and all the applicant will be allowed to have is light industrial.
Motion by Commissioner Cook, seconded by Commissioner O'Brien, to adopt Ordinance setting forth the Third Small Scale Amendment of 1995, 95S.3, amending the Future Land Use Map Series.
Commissioner Ellis inquired if there is a way to break down heavy and light industrial into two different land uses. Mr. Corwin advised it could be broken into light industry and heavy industry. Commissioner Cook stated he would like to see that too; there would be less confusion; and requested staff take a look at that. Commissioner Ellis stated if there was that land use, some of the properties could be brought back for another amendment to bring them into light industrial. Commissioner Cook stated in this instance, the only reason he is supporting the recommendation is because it is zoned light industrial and it would entail the applicant having to go through a whole other process to get heavy. Commissioner Ellis stated PIP does not work on small parcels.
Commissioner Scarborough stated when the Board was dealing with the property in Cidco Industrial Park, there was an extensive discussion on the 660-foot buffer; and this issue came up again when he was being briefed by staff. He stated there seemed to be some confusion; he thought the Board handled it with visual screening; but when he talked to staff, there was not a feeling of comfort. Commissioner Cook stated that was discussed; but in this particular instance, there is a substantial buffer with regard to U.S. 1. Commissioner Scarborough stated this violates the 660-foot rule; but when he got into the issue of buffering and screening, he pulled blanks from staff as to what he was talking about. Chairman Higgs stated she thought the Board made some conclusion when it was talking about seeing some proposals on the 660-foot buffer. Commissioner Scarborough stated he was under the same impression. Chairman Higgs stated the Board wants to see some proposals to break out heavy and light industrial, and a proposal in regard to the 660-foot rule and the industrial land use within that measured corridor. She stated the Board wants both issues to come back soon for discussion with staff recommendations. Mr. Corwin advised as part of the 95A amendment cycle, there is a change to Policy 5.3 which is the 660-foot rule for light industrial land uses; and it has been transmitted to the Department of Community Affairs as part of 95A.
Chairman Higgs inquired if the Board needs to adopt the Small Scale Plan Amendment; with Mr. Corwin responding that is correct. Chairman Higgs called for a vote on the motion. Motion carried and ordered unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARING, RE: RESOLUTION CONFIRMING AMENDED PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR S.R. 520 GRAVITY SEWER MSBU
Chairman Higgs called for the public hearing to consider a resolution confirming the amended Preliminary Assessment Roll for the S.R. 520 Gravity Sewer MSBU.
Ali Tezel, 130 Twin Rivers Drive, Merritt Island, stated the County needs to promote and encourage business; people say nobody works on S.R. 520; and he has been told that is a Florida Department of Transportation problem, not a County problem. He stated it is going to reflect on the County as well as on the property owners; and he would appreciate someone getting the message to FDOT. He stated nobody knows when the work is going to be finished; it is affecting people's lives; they are being put out of business through none of their own doing; and it would be decent, proper and a good business thing to find out who is responsible for getting the road done. He stated this has been going on since September, and nobody is working on the road.
Public Works Director Henry Minneboo stated that location is being monitored daily; and while it may not appear like there is ongoing work, a lot of the underground work is being undertaken through there. He stated FDOT indicates it is on its primary schedule; bridge construction is being done daily; and the County's primary concern will be the special tasks relating to the MSBU project. He advised the County cannot do anything to expedite or assist FDOT in moving further; and that is something FDOT will have to take under advisement.
Chairman Higgs inquired if the S.R. 520 project is moving forward. Mr. Minneboo advised FDOT is doing something; it may appear from time to time that no work is being undertaken; but the project is of major magnitude, and in isolated locations, work is being done. Chairman Higgs inquired who Mr. Tezel should talk to since the County does not have the ability to make this move any faster. Mr. Minneboo responded the people on the job are the ones trying to undertake the job in the most expeditious job; and the people on the job are the most familiar. He noted he does not think the Legislature can expedite the project any faster than it presently is.
Mr. Tezel stated there are differing viewpoints; Mr. Minneboo says they are working; but he has not seen anyone or any machines working on S.R. 520.
Commissioner O'Brien stated he sent a letter to FDOT with a copy to the County Manager; he noticed that work had come to a standstill; this is a water problem of dewatering the hole to put the sewer line in; and if the contractor waits three more weeks, the rainy season will start, and the bill will go through the roof. He stated the contractor should have been through in that area and out the other end since January when this problem was resolved. He stated Mr. Tezel has a legitimate complaint; he does not know how the County can get something moving; but if he has to send another nasty letter, the Board should contact the Legislative Delegation to see if they can get some action.
Mr. Tezel stated he does not think it is his responsibility because the Board has much more power. He stated his heart goes out to those people who are being put out of business; they have no access to their businesses; and neither do their customers.
Commissioner O'Brien stated his office has worked hard to get this moving along; and requested staff make pointed telephone calls about the S.R. 520 project. He stated the project is spinning its wheels and going nowhere; there have been accidents; he has requested the corner be cleaned up twice; and he does not know what is going on. Motion by Commissioner O'Brien, seconded by Commissioner Scarborough, to adopt Resolution confirming the Amended Preliminary Assessment Roll for S.R. 520 Gravity Sewer MSBU.
Commissioner Cook requested staff check on the work on Wickham Road. Mr. Minneboo noted he is thankful they are not County crews out there now.
Chairman Higgs called for a vote on the motion. Motion carried and ordered unanimously.
REVIEW, RE: PLANNED LIBRARY EXPANSIONS
Commissioner Ellis stated he has been dealing with the library issue for approximately a year and a half since it started; and the way the County is headed on the library expansion program, when it is done, there will be a lot of nice new facilities but no one to operate them because there will not be any money left. He stated in the last five years, the libraries have added 70 employees, and opened one new library; the current plans are to add another 40 employees after the expansion; and next year the millage will go up .94 mills which is six-tenths of a mill below the cap. He stated a memo came out last August advising the County was approximately $1 million short on construction funding; on Friday he was advised, the shortfall is $900,000; and there is $1.6 million in furniture in the bond issue. He stated on Monday, he got a construction schedule; he does not understand how the County can do seven or eight projects in a haphazard manner without having a clear timetable; and he has concerns about where this is going, especially in the operational expenses. He stated a number of people have been added in the last five years; the plan is to add 40 more; and inquired how is the County going to pay for this when the millage cap is reached. He stated he received new millage projections yesterday morning that now says it will not go to .94 mills, but to .79 mills which is reasonable; but he does not understand why he had to beat on this for a year and a half to get something done. He stated finally action is being taken to hold back on the furniture and new positions; and he just got information yesterday, after asking for a year and a half. He stated all these things should have been addressed at the beginning of the projects; there should have been a schedule and cost estimates; the furniture should have been separated out; and he still has concerns. He noted he will not be here when the projects are done; but if the libraries have to start cutting back on hours because they cannot afford to stay open, there will be some serious questions asked about whether the intent was to provide hours of service or nice buildings in the community.
Chairman Higgs stated she continues to support the library projects; the staff report indicates adjustments are being made; and the County will find itself in a position where it can continue to operate the libraries in the long term. She stated the Board can give the people some indication of where it stands, or it can allow everyone to speak.
Commissioner Ellis inquired why it takes a year and a half to get action on this. He stated he has been flooded with calls and beaten over this issue, and finally now, some action is being taken to address the projected shortfalls. Commissioner Cook inquired why it took that long to get the information. County Manager Tom Jenkins responded it is difficult to respond without doing research in terms of the schedule and the millage adjustment. He noted some of the things have been affected by the inflation in construction; and he would be more comfortable going back and researching some of the statements to get the Commissioners a response. He stated staff has been working on this report for several months; it was the result of prior Board direction; but he would be happy to address each of the concerns raised by Commissioner Ellis, and respond to the Board.
Commissioner O'Brien stated he is in support of libraries, especially in Cape Canaveral, Cocoa Beach, and Merritt Island; when communities that have built and paid for their own libraries, have an MSTU fund for libraries, and have outgrown their libraries say they want to improve their libraries, the Board should listen. He stated the County already got the bond for the libraries two years ago; it has already accumulated interest of over $500,000 which covers the shortfall; and he does not see any problem in this, so he is for it.
Commissioner Ellis inquired if Commissioner O'Brien knows the interest from the bond covers the shortfall; with Commissioner O'Brien responding yes. Commissioner Ellis stated the shortfall he had was $900,000. Commissioner O'Brien stated at the end of this year if construction has not started on the entire program, there will be over $1 million in interest; meanwhile, the County is already paying for the bond; and the millage right now is .7859, but was projected originally at .8055. Commissioner Ellis stated it was projected originally to go to .94 next year. Commissioner O'Brien stated the County is already paying for the bond; the money is already there; and the taxes and millage are already on there for that. He stated the reserves are there for any shortfall; the impacts are there; and the money is there as well.
Commissioner Scarborough stated he shares Commissioner Ellis' concern that it is necessary to look at the money and make sure the projects are completed because the County has been hurt by shortfalls in projects; and that is a legitimate concern. He stated a few months ago he sent a memorandum to the County Manager asking the same questions; but there are some cost advantages in borrowing at low interest rates and building at current dollars; and in the long run sometimes you get ahead. He stated the idea that someday it is going to be cheaper is not correct; not everybody shares his view; and compared it to the situation of someone who wants to buy a home and saves for it, but never gets there. He stated the community values libraries; it is a unique County; it has better educated people who enjoy libraries more than other areas of the state; and this makes sense economically. He noted he will continue to scrutinize everything with Commissioner Ellis; but he supports the libraries.
Commissioner Ellis stated the important thing to remember is there is a State millage cap; and when the cap is exceeded, there is no place else to go for the funds. He stated it bothers him that he had the projections for a year and a half, but on Monday he heard not that many new positions or furniture will be needed; and inquired why all this comes out just a day before this meeting. He stated it is not right; he has taken a lot of criticism on this issue for the last year and a half; and none of these things have ever been presented as corrective measures to insure there will be funds to finish the projects. He stated he finds it unfair that this comes out the day before the meeting.
Commissioner Cook stated he does not understand either, and shares Commissioner Ellis' concerns; and the County Manager will come back to the Board on why that was the case. He stated he indicated in the past that the Cocoa Beach Library is legitimate, and supports it; he supports the Stone Library; but he shares many of Commissioner Ellis' other concerns. He stated currently Brevard County has fourteen County libraries which is more than Orange County has; and there are an additional seven libraries which are part of educational institutions which are open to the public. He stated there are adequate libraries in Brevard County; and reiterated the County has more libraries than Orange County which has a significantly larger population. He stated the projects were approved by the previous Board; there was discussion of pay as you go; and he would like additional information on pay as you go versus bonding. He stated the County has too much bonded debt. Commissioner O'Brien noted the projects are already bonded. Commissioner Cook stated it is something the Board needs to look at; and it does not need to shut its eyes to the fact that the Board is talking about an enormous amount of public money being spent. Commissioner Ellis stated after a year and a half of waiting, the day before the meeting, he got a project schedule; and suggested everyone look at the improvements in the capital improvements plan. He stated he has concerns when the Eau Gallie Library which is twice as big as Stone Library is listed at $1.4 million and Stone is $1.2 million; and inquired if there will be more problems as the County moves into the projects. He stated finally there is a reserve cushion and actions have been taken to reduce costs; and the plan should have been put in place when all this started. He stated he gets tired of being used as a beating board for everyone to finally get something done that should have been in place a year and a half ago; and he is frustrated about getting the information at the last minute when the issue has been there for a year and a half.
Mr. Jenkins stated the Board has discussed this topic on numerous occasions; in the past some of the issues that have been raised have dealt with whether or not it should be pay as you go or financed, choice of sites, and criteria used for the selection of the expansion projects. He stated as recently as six or seven months ago, although there has been inflation in the construction costs beyond what most had projected, based on interest income, all the projections indicated sufficient interest income was being generated to pay for the libraries; and several months ago Commissioner Scarborough requested staff do a review of this. He stated to suggest that the positions or shelving are not needed is not correct. He stated he went back to staff and advised a cushion was needed in case there was greater inflation in the construction costs or if, for any reason, the funds were not going to be available to construct the libraries. He stated the Board needed to be shown there were some reserves set aside in several areas; and that was done; but the Library Advisory Board and staff have not said they do not need the shelving, tables, chairs, etc. He stated the purchase of those items will be deferred until such time the County is sure it has sufficient funds to build all the libraries the Board previously voted on; and the same would apply to staffing. He noted staff was asked to put on hold the hiring of new staff for the expansion of the libraries; and it is more of a deferral than an acknowledgement that they are not needed. He stated at some future point the Board will have to vote on whether any future positions get added or any furniture is added to the libraries; but what the Board is seeing today is something the staff has been working on over a period of time. He stated when reference is made to a $950,000 shortfall, he is not familiar with that because the information he had was that there were sufficient funds to build the libraries. He stated he would be happy to do further research to get additional information on construction schedules. He stated this is a conservative plan that was developed at his request to insure that all the projects could be done.
Commissioner Ellis stated the report says additional funds required are $1 million. Mr. Jenkins stated that is based on inflation; the Board witnessed the construction cost inflation on the Justice Center; and a similar inflation is assumed on the libraries. He stated until recently that was not an issue because the staff's assessment was there was sufficient money to build the libraries; but what has been done is to increase the costs based on the anticipated inflation and construction costs that have occurred in the last six months. Commissioner Ellis stated the 1989 gas tax bond was done to do a long list of roads; there were cost overruns on the initial roads done; and by the time the County got to the end of the list, the money was not there. Mr. Jenkins stated what Commissioner Ellis had were estimates that were done in 1985 based on rural roads throughout the County; between 1985 and 1989, almost every road went from a two-lane rural road to a four to six-lane road with curbs, swales, landscaping, etc.; and the cost of right-of-way tripled when the legal profession discovered the County was in the road business. He stated the County adopted a "build the roads as fast as it could build them policy", which meant the County was building roads and negotiating over the value of the right-of-way after the fact. He stated there were two to three policy decisions which drove the increase in the cost of construction of the roads. Commissioner Ellis stated if there is no reserve, the projects at the end of the list suffer if the ones at the beginning have overruns. He stated if the millage is run to .94 or higher on a one mill cap, and there are overruns at the beginning, there will be nothing left to draw from at the end to finish the projects except operating expenses.
Commissioner O'Brien stated he agrees with Commissioner Ellis regarding the untimeliness of the report; he gets thick books on Friday afternoon for things to be considered on the agenda on Tuesday morning; and there is no way possible to read everything to be able to make a viable, intelligent decision. He stated that is why things get tabled; and things should be in the Commissioners' hands at least two weeks prior to a meeting. He expressed concern about getting information at the last minute. He stated staff should be directed that this is inappropriate, and the Board will not stand for it any longer. He stated if something is on the agenda for June 6, 1995, all the information should be in the hands of the Commissioners no later than May 15, 1995. He stated the whole job is becoming a rush situation; and the Board is not making good decisions because of lack of information and lack timeliness of information.
Commissioner Ellis stated it was necessary to go through a year of being beat on to get to where the Board is tonight; and if the Board had not gone through that year, it would still have the same numbers it had a week ago.
Commissioner O'Brien stated sometimes the Board makes a statement upfront about something; then that becomes skewed across time; but the rest of the information to make the decision is not there. He noted he made the same mistake on many occasions, thinking he knew the whole problem, but finding out at the last minute that he was wrong.
Commissioner Ellis stated nothing ever changed until the day before the meeting; memos from a month ago show the need for 40 new positions; and all of the things changed in the last few days.
Commissioner Cook concurred; and requested the County Manager look into this. He stated it is difficult when the Commissioners get faxes on the day of a meeting with information pertaining to the decisions the Board is supposed to make that night; and there has to be a better way when the Board is making decisions that will cost the taxpayers millions of dollars.
Chairman Higgs stated she requested a meeting with the library, budget, and construction staff, and she was able to get the information which Commissioner Ellis did not get. She stated there are ways to get the information because she got it.
Commissioner Ellis stated the library item did not start last week; and yet, Monday there was a 20% reduction in the projected library millage. Commissioner Cook stated the Board needs the same level of responsiveness to every Commissioner regardless of whether they happen to be chairman or in support of the libraries. Chairman Higgs stated she simply asked for a meeting the same way anyone could; and staff provided the information; but she gets no favorable treatment. Commissioner O'Brien noted he met with the Library Advisory Boards in his area and received a lot of ancillary information before he received the County's information. Commissioner Cook stated this was a decision by the previous Board; they were the elected representatives at the time; and there is always a reluctance to go back and make new decisions. He stated Commissioner Ellis raised a good question about what impact this will have on future libraries; the County is changing; population centers are going to be popping up; and if the County hits the cap, it may be denying other citizens the opportunity to have a library because it is spending such a huge amount of funds now. He stated he would like to have that answered because it is important. Commissioner O'Brien stated part of the answer may be to do what Cape Canaveral, Cocoa Beach and Merritt Island did; if the population center shifts, they can form an MSTU; if they are in a city, the incorporated city can get its own tax to build a library; and other cities have already done that. Commissioner Cook stated everyone pays that tax; and if the County hits the cap, it will have its hands tied if it wants to look at any other additional libraries. Commissioner O'Brien stated if the citizens want the libraries built out of granite and the County cannot afford that, they can raise another quarter-mill by referendum. Commissioner Cook inquired if the Board really wants to know what the people want, and it is spending $10 million to $12 million of taxpayer money, why does this not go to referendum. He reiterated this was a decision the former Board made; and inquired why it was not put to referendum if the community wants libraries. Commissioner O'Brien advised there was no Charter then.
Chairman Higgs stated from the statements the Commissioners have made, there seem to be three who will support the continuation of the projects. She advised of the procedure and time period to address the Board.
Michael Shacrean, 4100 Cushman Drive, Mims, waived his right to speak.
Sally Simpson, 1017 E. Barefoot Circle, Barefoot Bay, stated she would like to go ahead with the libraries; she understands about the finances and the caps; and she understands Commissioner Ellis' concern that once the libraries are completed, there might not be enough money to operate them or put anything in them. She stated the libraries will be needed eventually; the longer the County waits, the longer it will cost; and eventually they will have to be staffed. She stated the previous Board made these plans; and if the worst thing that happens is there are empty buildings, then the County can expand what it has presently to find a way to supply the libraries. She stated the County can get help from the community; if there is a building, the community will get behind it; and all of Brevard County wants more libraries. She stated the Board will get nothing unless it spends the funds; if the County does not build the buildings now according to the schedule, there will be inflation; and even though the Board may want to wait until it has enough money to do it all because of fears about inflation or the cap, it has to go ahead, and find the funds after it is done. She stated we cannot be afraid; and inquired if the Commissioners understand.
Commissioner Ellis inquired if Ms. Simpson understands the millage cap is State mandated. Ms. Simpson responded she understands; but if the County builds the building, then the next year it can go out and do it because there will be another budget. She stated the County will come up with the funds; and if the community has to hold fundraisers and such, it will find ways to put things in the library. She stated the people of Barefoot Bay will do volunteer work if the County provides the buildings. She stated eventually the libraries have got to be built because they are desperately needed, and all the people want them. She stated the cap is not something you have within a one-year period. Commissioner Ellis inquired what Ms. Simpson means by a one-year period. Ms. Simpson inquired if the cap that cannot be spent on the budget is what Commissioner Ellis is speaking of. Commissioner Ellis stated he is speaking of the one-mill cap every year; and that is the maximum that can be levied. Ms. Simpson responded that is what she is saying; and eventually the buildings will have to be built. Commissioner Ellis advised the debt service goes with the buildings for more than one year; and it goes to the year 2015. Ms. Simpson stated four communities built their own libraries; she cannot believe the funds cannot be found; and the Board has to look to the future. She stated there will never be enough money if the Board is worried about going forward with inflation. Commissioner Ellis stated his point is there is a State millage cap; and the County cannot go beyond that. Ms. Simpson stated according to the figures that have been provided, it can be done. Commissioner Ellis stated he understands that; but as of yesterday, the millage dropped 20% after a year and a half, which is a substantial drop in one day. He noted he has been working on this for a year and a half; and in one day, the millage dropped 20%. Ms. Simpson stated the people are not going to hold Commissioner Ellis responsible as one person. Commissioner Ellis stated there is an accountability issue; there was just a referendum on accountability issues with the School Board; and the libraries need to be just as accountable in terms of where they get their money and where they spend their money. He stated he finds it unusual that any taxing district could drop its millage projections 20% in one day. Ms. Simpson stated she supports the libraries.
Commissioner O'Brien stated the City of Cocoa Beach raised over $120,000 for furnishings for its library; it can be done by the community; and if there are shortfalls, the communities will step forward, pick up the ball and glove, and play the game very well.
Harold Crawford, 100 Yacht Haven Drive, Cocoa Beach, member of the Cocoa Beach Library Board, stated the Board has taken actions which the City has taken as a commitment to proceed with construction of a new library, and which resulted in City and community actions. He stated the County Library Board, through its Expansion and Construction Committees, recommended a relocation of Cocoa Beach Library, and ranked land purchase and construction among the highest priority in the County. He stated the Board accepted the recommendation, and approved $600,000 toward the land purchase and another $150,000 that the County Library Board recommended. He stated the Board voted for the bond issue which included money for a new Cocoa Beach Library; but the City realized that was not enough money; and so a fundraising plan was submitted, which the Board approved. He stated by approving the plan, the City was encouraged to proceed; and it was taken as further commitment that the project would proceed. He stated the City has invested money; the community is behind the drive to raise money to enlarge the building; and all these actions were made with the understanding the County Commission had approved the library project. He stated the project has proceeded to the point where there has been public meeting with the architect; but now questions are being raised about the cost of the project; and the overburdening of staff by parallel construction should not be a problem because the constructions are being done serially. Mr. Crawford stated with efficient facility planning, additional library staff should be minimal. Commissioner Ellis stated Mr. Crawford came to his office with members of the Cocoa Beach Library to go over the issues a week ago, and he did not have the information a week ago that he has now. Mr. Crawford stated with modern equipment and higher efficiency, operating costs should not necessarily be higher because of the larger facility. He stated the growth of the County continues unabated and the tax collections from library millage will continue to rise. He stated Cocoa Beach needs a new library; the services at the present library can no longer be expanded; a new library will be capable of providing those services; and if the County builds the library, the services will come. He requested the Board reinforce its previous actions and commitments, and continue support for library construction in a timely fashion.
Helen Filkins, 360 Harbor Drive, Cape Canaveral, stated everyone admires Commissioner Ellis for wanting to look ahead and consider the accountability; but the previous Board approved this and set a lot of things in motion. She stated people have a tender feeling toward their libraries; and if the people could hear the Board say the buildings that are in motion to be built will be built, everyone would be willing to work with the Board to cut back on things that are not essential. She stated everyone knows Commissioner Ellis was doing the right thing, and he did warn everyone; but there is the money to do what is in motion. She stated the people would appreciate hearing that what they love and worked for is going to go through.
Commissioner Ellis reiterated yesterday was the first day the Board finally had millage information; everyone thinks this is a joke; but up until yesterday, the millage was .94 mills which was up against the State cap, and now it is down to .76 mill.
Chairman Higgs stated the schedule was discussed last year when the Board discussed the budget; at that time she raised the issue of having adequate personnel to handle the supervision of the construction projects, and requested Mr. Vislay review that; Mr. Vislay reported there was adequate personnel; and the Board discussed the schedule. She stated she never had an assumption that everything was being done at one point; and the financial information was available to her at the meeting when she met with staff. Commissioner Ellis stated that was after the agenda item had already been set. Chairman Higgs agreed it was after the item was set, but the information was available prior to this morning or yesterday, if someone requested the information from staff. Commissioner Ellis inquired if the information was available prior to the agenda item being set; with Chairman Higgs responding she got the information when she met with staff last week. Commissioner Ellis stated clearly the information was not available a month ago. Chairman Higgs stated she did not ask for it a month ago. Commissioner Ellis stated he asked for the information for a year; and he has a construction schedule which he received yesterday. Commissioner O'Brien suggested if Commissioner Ellis agrees with the libraries, the remaining speakers will not have to speak. Commissioner Ellis stated he does not mind if everyone speaks; but the fact is the Board finally has a budget to build the libraries and afford to staff them after they are built. Commissioner O'Brien inquired if Commissioner Ellis is in support. Commissioner Ellis stated his goal for the past year and a half was to insure that when all the projects are done, the libraries can be kept open. Chairman Higgs stated Commissioner Ellis' goal was to tell the Board it made a mistake. Commissioner Ellis stated the Board did make a mistake in taking the millage up to the State cap. Chairman Higgs stated the County has the ability to do the program; amendments have been made; and Commissioner Ellis succeeded in showing the Board was wrong. Chairman Higgs stated the Board was right in proceeding; the majority is going to do the library; and Commissioner Ellis' objective was to prove that the Board had done wrong. Commissioner Ellis stated as of yesterday, there is finally enough money to run the libraries once they are built; and inquired if Chairman Higgs finds it unusual for a millage to be dropped 20% in one day. Chairman Higgs stated she does not think that is what occurred. Commissioner Ellis noted he received a fax yesterday showing the millage dropped to .76 mill from .94 mill in one day; and if any other Commissioner had that information before he set the agenda item, he would be glad to hear it.
County Manager Tom Jenkins advised no one had the information because staff had been working on it; staff has been working over the past several months in an attempt to respond to the direction of the Board; and it thought it was working on what the Board had directed it to do. He stated the reduction in the millage occurs over a five-year period; and it was achieved by making the decision not to hire the number of positions originally forecast and lowering the cash forward. He reiterated the information was not available previously; and staff has been working on the concept for the past 60 days. He noted until three to five months ago, it was thought there were sufficient funds to build all the libraries without making any of the reductions; but when the Facilities Construction Division became concerned over the cost of construction, that was a motivating factor to go back as well as the Board expressing concerns about making sure all of the projects get done. He stated staff has attempted to be responsive to the Board's direction.
Joe Morgan, Mayor of Cocoa Beach, stated Vice Mayor Nancy Huey, Commissioners Marvin Yarosh, Tony Johnson, and Bill Alan are present as well; and that shows the City comes as a team and speaks as one. He urged each of the Commissioners to support continuation of the libraries. He noted he counts three Commissioners in support; and that looks good. He stated the City of Cocoa Beach has joined together with the Board and the U.S. Post Office to develop the 5.2-acre site in Cocoa Beach for construction of the new library and the post office. He stated this is a rare opportunity to develop the property; there will be savings by working together in site development, water retention, road access, parking lots, and the signage; and if there is any delay in the joint effort, a great deal of money will be lost. He stated the Cocoa Beach community endorsed the project and put money into it; and the City has put in $433,000 to assist in the land purchase. He stated a letter went out with the schedule; and inquired when was Cocoa Beach Library scheduled, and how many months delay. Commissioner O'Brien advised Phase 2 is scheduled for 1996-97; and the revised schedule proposes a phasing process. Mayor Morgan inquired when will the Cocoa Beach Library be built, and when will the money become available. Commissioner Ellis stated the money is available right now. Mayor Morgan inquired what is the staff recommendation. Mr. Jenkins advised it is 1996-97. Mayor Morgan stated the City of Cocoa Beach is going to get stuck with $433,000; the construction needs to proceed immediately in cooperation with the U.S. Post Office; and requested the Board direct staff to do so. He stated when the City put in the dollars, it borrowed the money; it has that much commitment to the community; and requested the Board direct the staff to insure that the Cocoa Beach Library is not delayed to 1996-97. He advised the City would like to talk to the Board about the dredging.
Commissioner Scarborough stated the City of Cocoa Beach has set an example to all the municipalities in the amount of cooperation and support; it has been exemplary; and the Board is proud of Cocoa Beach.
Facilities Construction Director Joseph Vislay stated the design of the Cocoa Beach Library would begin in June, 1995; portions of the programming have already begun; thirty-four weeks are scheduled for the design; and bidding and construction will occur at the beginning of 1996.
Chairman Higgs inquired if by the end of February, 1996, construction will begin; with Mr. Vislay responding yes. Chairman Higgs stated assuming the Board moves on all projects, it will be moving on the Cocoa Beach Library project.
Commissioner O'Brien inquired if that solves the City's problem; with Mayor Morgan responding the City can work with that.
Anthony Johnson, 214 Antigua Avenue, Cocoa Beach, stated his comments have been voiced by others.
Lisa Scheuplein, 468 Dempsey Drive, Cocoa Beach, stated the City of Cocoa Beach has never been so united behind a project as it has with the Cocoa Beach Library project; and requested those from Cocoa Beach raise their hands. She stated the City will not stop when it is behind a project; it has been split on many things; but the City is 100% in support of the library. She requested the Board's support of the library; and stated they do not want to see the money for which they have collected and for which they have commitments shrink due to inflation. She stated there was panic when they heard there was going to be a five-year delay on the library; and they do not want that to happen.
Carl Scheuplein, 468 Dempsey Drive, Cocoa Beach, stated a commitment to meet the library schedule is needed. He stated the Board should make sure there are not overruns on the building. He noted he called Commissioner Ellis' Office; Commissioner Ellis' fiscal responsibility is good; but if it is necessary to wait a year and a half to get information, that is too long, and should be corrected.
Bill Allen, 64 Country Club Road, Cocoa Beach, stated this is a project behind which the City of Cocoa Beach is united; the community has gotten together in a way that is unprecedented; there have been problems with the A1A issue, parking meters, night clubs, etc.; but on this issue the community is united. He stated this represents an opportunity for three governments to work together to achieve something that can be useful to the community; that site can be developed with the Post Office, the Library, and a flow through to the adjacent shopping center to take people off the main road; and it can be blended together to be environmentally responsible and aesthetically pleasing. He stated this represents a great opportunity, and he hopes it will proceed without delay.
Commissioner Cook stated the Board wants to hear everyone; but if the comments are on the Cocoa Beach Library, four Commissioners have expressed support for that library; and requested everyone tailor their comments accordingly.
Arthur Lamar, 1337C Cheney Highway, Titusville, stated last week he was before the Board to advise how happy the County Library Board was about the commitment made by the prior County Commission to do eight library expansions. He stated he understands Commissioner Ellis is upset because they were slow in getting the figures to him; but explained the Library Services Office did not have a financial planner until two or three months ago. He stated that enabled them to go through the budget in a better fashion; they went through the expenses of each library, and worked them out; and they only got them finished last week. He requested Commissioner Ellis not say they wasted a whole year looking for that information because they did not have the people to do it. He stated the library directors would like the library expansion projects to go forward as originally committed for; the figures show that even at the year 2000, they will not be up to one mill; but in the event belts have to be tightened, the library directors are willing to do that. He stated the library directors want the buildings and will manage if there is not enough money; and requested all five Commissioners support continuing the eight library expansions as committed.
Commissioner Ellis stated the Board got the new budget information; but inquired how can the Board embark on a multi-million dollar expansion program without financial planning. He inquired if 69 employees have been added in five years, why was there not someone in a financial planning position for this. He stated it is good there is a person there; that is something that was critically needed; and now things have fallen into place; but it has been a difficult process. Mr. Lamar stated they did not have a financial planner before; they are happy to have one now; and they are trying to do their best. Commissioner Ellis stated it is sharper and better defined; and this is something that was needed.
Larry Hughes, 7972 Timberlake Drive, West Melbourne, representing the Meadowlane Community Library Board, friends and patrons, stated there is concern that the construction has gone on hold again in the priorities that were established in the documents they received late yesterday. He stated the Meadowlane Community Library is the only library within the County which is currently in a leased facility; and this is despite the Board mandate in 1990 that the lease would be for a maximum of three years. He stated the Meadowlane Community Library attendance is up; registrations, reference questions, and program circulation are all up; and the patronage is consistently increasing, even after the opening of the new DeGroodt Library. He stated it is a growing community; it is not a story of build it and they will come; they are coming; and more facility is needed. He stated a permanent home for the library is needed now; the Meadowlane Community Library staff are aggressive and achievement oriented; and they are striving to perform within budget. He stated in the land search, they came in under budget by $25,000; the A & E contractor was brought in 1994; and those meetings are currently on hold. He stated the information he received yesterday shows that it is scheduled to kick off again; however, his background as an engineer tells him that Murphy must be accommodated as the buildings are built. He stated fourteen libraries are in existence today; there is new construction or major renovation of nine; and that is a significant activity for the County to undertake at one time. He stated they are starting simultaneously; and they are all to be brought in simultaneously. He stated at some point, they will start slipping; and he is concerned about the priorities. He requested the Board establish priorities in the construction of the libraries, and base them on a cost benefit analysis; and reminded the Board of the mandate in 1990 to get Meadowlane Community Library out of the lease facility within three years. He reminded the Board the Meadowlane Community Library construction was originally planned for 1993; the lease expires again in December, 1996; the last time the lease expired, there was a 25% increase; and the penalty is expected to be larger this time because they are a captive tenant. He stated construction costs are rising; and there is a triple hit on this in that rental is being paid on a property, land has been purchased, and the land has been taken off the tax rolls. He stated they have had one foot on the dock and one foot in the boat for the last five years; and he is asking the Board to make a fiscally prudent decision, and direct the Library Services to proceed with Meadowlane Community Library construction without further delay.
Commissioner Ellis stated according to the current schedule, Meadowlane Community Library is designed to be ready for occupancy prior to the lease running out.
Gloria Battle, 2252 Flower Tree Circle, Melbourne, stated the last time she appeared she stood in silence for the children and the library; but tonight she wants to say she is in support of the renovation and rebuilding of the eight proposed libraries. She stated she hopes the Board will go ahead with the original proposals and now that there is sufficient funding available to adequately staff them once they are built, there should be no other problems.
Dr. Ronald Lambert, 545 Garfield Avenue, Cocoa Beach, stated he is not ready to join the admiration society; and hopefully his remarks will be germane to what he perceives to be on the part of some Commissioners, at best lukewarm support for libraries, and at worst an anti-library sentiment. He stated he has been a resident of the County for more than three years; prior to living in Florida had resided in several other states including California, Minnesota, and Hawaii; and he made extensive use of public libraries in all of the states. He stated the library services in Brevard County are equal to or better than the library services of any of his previous residencies. He stated the library staff is professional and helpful; Cocoa Beach and Cape Canaveral Public Libraries have serious limitations in terms of physical facilities, and serious expansion needs; the Cape Canaveral Library has serious space limitations; but the quality of staff is excellent. Dr. Lambert stated in comparison with other states, Brevard County does not have much to be proud of in terms of cultural attributes or public services except for the libraries; and they should be supported. He stated a few weeks ago the Florida TODAY and the Orlando Sentinel reported the results of a national study of the reading comprehensive scores of students in several levels of schooling; the study indicated reading skills of students at all levels are continuing to decline; and the study concluded that students spend too much time watching television and not enough time reading at home. He stated the report recommended students increase their use of libraries, spend more time reading library books, and that parents read more at home. He stated given his favorable perception of the library services in the County and the continuing decline of reading comprehensive of students, he is puzzled and dismayed to perceive some County Commissioners less than supportive of the funding of libraries. He stated the results of the reading study are true in the County; and if this is a serious concern, he wonders what sort of value system is reflected by advocating reducing the funding of libraries and at the same time promotes the building of gun ranges. He noted he is aware the funding sources are different; but when one promotes the time and energy to promote the reduction of library funding, and at the same time spends time and energy to promote other activities, it reflects an attitudinal set that he finds disturbing. He urged the Board's continued support for the funding of the County libraries including the approved expansion plans.
Commissioner Cook stated he said at the beginning he supports the Cocoa Beach and Stone Library; but he does have some serious questions; and to suggest that Commissioners are anti-library because they have questions about the expenditure of over $10 million is very unfair.
Dr. Lambert noted he said his perception of the Commissioners' behavior ranged from lukewarm support to an anti-library sentiment.
Commissioner Ellis stated Dr. Lambert is welcome to come to his home at any time; he has well over a thousand books and no guns; but the point on the gun range is there is a tax paid at the federal level on firearms and ammunition, and the only way to get it back is through the grant process for a gun range. He noted the same thing is done for boat docks. He stated his concern about the libraries has been there needs to be funds to keep the libraries open; he worked for a year to have Sunday hours at DeGroodt Library in Palm Bay, and was told there was a funding problem; but an open library is more important than a closed library that looks nice.
Marvin Yarosh, 335 Jack Drive, Cocoa Beach, stated the citizens of Cocoa Beach have eloquently spoken; and he will relinquish his time.
Jeanne Zopfi, 45 Yawl Drive, Cocoa Beach, requested the Board honor its commitments.
Nina Belle Fritz, 632 Bermuda Road, Cocoa Beach, stated she taught government and history for 33 years; she is President of the Friends of the Library; and the group used six of the County libraries as well as the Florida State Library and Library of Congress to get the information they provided to the Board. She stated in 1895 the City of Cocoa, with only 382 residents, organized its first public library at the same time it became a City; and ever since then volunteers have organized and volunteered to keep the libraries open.
Marjorie Allen, 1255 West Scots Avenue, Merritt Island, expressed support for the libraries.
Leo Nicholas, 250 Harbor Drive, Cape Canaveral, stated he is a City Councilman in Cape Canaveral; and the City adopted a Resolution supporting all the libraries in the system, and recognizing that a good library system is essential to the well-being of the County. He stated the County population has increased drastically in the past ten years; at the previous meeting the Board discussed abolition of certain impact fees; and certainly the increase in population has created impact in the libraries. He stated the library construction program is geared to take into account that impact and accommodate it; and there are provisions for imposition of a County library impact fee, which may be an additional funding source. He advised if the Legislature impose the one-mill cap, it can also increase that cap, if necessary. He noted he does not see the necessity in the near future; but it is another funding source; and the Board should keep its options open. He stated Commissioner O'Brien advised Cape Canaveral, Cocoa Beach, and Merritt Island built their own libraries; but libraries were built in other areas and taken into the County system; and they provided the facilities and assets necessary to create the County system, which has saved a considerable amount of money. He stated there is nothing wrong with the grass roots movement for expansion of libraries; if a community is interested and wants to provide a library, he does not see why it cannot put up something to aid the County library system; and the money that is currently allocated will not provide enough to fully fund and staff additional libraries. He expressed support for the library expansion system.
John Porter, 12J Cape Shores Drive, Cape Canaveral, Mayor of Cape Canaveral, stated the City of Cape Canaveral constructed its library building for $500,000 in the 1980's; it waived the impact fees for the project; it donated the land for the expansion; and the City has a large stake in seeing the expansion project carried forward. He noted Rocky Randels, the Mayor Pro-Tem, and Councilman Buzz Petsos are present; and they are fully in support of the expansion project. He stated no one has come to him requesting the library not be expanded.
John Olyslager, 769 East Oriole Circle, Barefoot Bay, stated he was sent to get Commissioner Ellis to change his mind; but he agrees somewhat with Commissioner Ellis, as well as disagreeing somewhat. He stated he has also been waiting a year and a half for some answers; and Barefoot Bay and South Mainland Micco are united on the libraries. He stated Commissioner Ellis is worried about costs; seven years ago he promised another Board that Barefoot Bay would help with the costs if the County would build a library there; and over 70 people volunteer regularly at that facility. He stated the people of Barefoot Bay, Micco and Little Hollywood are working together; they have approximately $16,000 already on the way to $75,000; the Over 60 Softball Team raised over $5,000 playing at Dodger Town; and it is incumbent on everyone to work together because one of the most important things the County can do is bring about a cultural expansion in the mind and thoughts of the people. He requested the Board get the expansion done for the South Mainland Micco Library. Rocky Randels, 308 East Central Boulevard, Cape Canaveral, stated he is a regular user of the libraries; he supports the Brevard County system; and he went to Tallahassee this year on Library Day to obtain state funding for the County. He requested the Board's support of the system as it is now. He stated the communities of Cape Canaveral, Merritt Island, and Cocoa Beach have provided additional land for the enlargement of the libraries; funds have already been expended in the engineering and design of some of the projects; and he would hate for those to go to waste. He stated the proposed plans are reasonable and correct, and meet a need for the community; and staff may not have figured in the escalated cost of improvement in taxes due to growth and increasing property value. He stated the Cape Canaveral Library has 40 to 42 hours of volunteer help a week; and if the buildings are built, they can be properly staffed. He thanked the three Commissioners who indicated support.
Roger Heinig, 32 Yacht Haven Drive, Cocoa Beach, Past Chairman of the School Improvement Council at the Theodore Roosevelt School, stated the need in Cocoa Beach is now for a new library; there is a stable total population; but there are rapidly changing demographics. He stated at the Roosevelt School, the elementary population has increased by approximately 50% in the last seven years; and there is every reason to think that will continue. He stated the demands on the library have increased even more rapidly; there is a 50% growth in children's participation in the last four years; and he is pleased to hear the Board supports the ongoing effort. He stated Commissioner Ellis has spoken eloquently about his concern in terms of meeting commitments in a timely manner; and the community shares that concern. He stated the people look to the Commissioners to maintain their commitments to them; the Board previously voted its strong support for the immediate construction of a new Cocoa Beach Public Library with 20,000 square feet exclusive of community contributions for occupancy in January, 1997; and the people would like to see the Board manage the project in a way that would meet that commitment to the community.
Debbie Guelzow, 41 Crystal River Drive, Cocoa Beach, expressed support for the library projects.
Margaret Reid, 1335 Palmer Court, Cocoa Beach, Chairman of the Finance Committee for Friends of the Cocoa Beach Library, stated as of this morning there were 465 individual people, clubs and businesses who had contributed to the fund to increase the size of the Cocoa Beach Library; and all of the contributors are going past the site every day, waiting to see the excavations begin. She requested the Board let the project begin as soon as possible. She stated if there are insufficient funds to furnish the new building, there will be no problem in raising the funds from the same people or their neighbors.
Lorene Shafer, 1516 Wakefield Terrace, Titusville, Chairman of the North Brevard District Library Board, stated she has volunteered at the library; and thanked Mr. Jenkins for giving new people to help with the Library Board. She invited Commissioner Ellis to the Library Board meetings; and stated if Commissioner Ellis had attended the meetings, he would know what the people are talking about. She stated she has no worry that once the building is completed, it will be staffed and furnished; she hates to see the staff cut down because a large population uses the library. She stated the Library Board has been turning over the CD's; now they are getting 7%; and by the time the library is finished, they hope to help buy the furniture.
Commissioner Ellis stated Mr. Lamar and Mr. White will verify that someone from his office attends every County Library Board meeting; they take the minutes; and he follows what goes on at the meetings.
David White, 134 Copenhaver Avenue, Palm Bay, Chairman of the County Library Board, stated he is impressed with the libraries; he is honored to be associated with them; and he is proud to be associated with everyone in the room. He stated staff does a wonderful job; he has confidence in them; and his personal experience has been good. Mr. White commended Commissioner Ellis for raising the issue tonight. He stated the concern Commissioner Ellis has expressed will prove to be a valid one; however, the Library Board position is to continue with the projects as originally approved by the Commission. He stated the new budget figures make sense; however, the operating budgets are tight. He stated there are occasions when staff brings in their teen-age children to help at the circulation desk; there are many volunteers; the Friends of the Library help in all kinds of ways; and they will have to help more. He stated there is a quality product; and it should be safeguarded at all costs. He stated he is not in favor of expanding to the point where the level and quality of service are reduced; and that is something which must be protected. He stated the new budget figures amount to a de facto phasing; and recommended the Board approve what has been presented by staff.
Marilyn Shulman, 2369 Brookside Drive, Melbourne, Chairman of the Melbourne Library Board, thanked Commissioner Ellis; and stated he does have a member of his staff attend the Library Board meetings so they know he has an interest in the libraries. She stated the City of Melbourne has a Council meeting this evening; and none of the members of the Council could be present; but she understands the Board received a letter from Mayor Mullins advising the Melbourne City Council continues to support the construction of a new facility to replace the present Eau Gallie Library. She stated Mayor Mullins advises the new library facility at the location will complement the substantial investment made by the City of Melbourne in the Eau Gallie Civic Center and other private investments made by various businesses in the old downtown area. She noted Mayor Mullins urges the Board to proceed with the plans; and the Melbourne Library Board also encourages the Board to proceed with the plans as shown in the revised schedule. She stated she appreciates the Board's supports, and looks forward to a new building for the Eau Gallie Library.
Corene Bailey, 801 Camphor Way, Melbourne, representing the Melbourne Library Board, stated she knows Commissioner Ellis has concerns; she understands; and he has been kind to them at the Stone Library. She stated the timing is bad; he should be concerned about the finances; and she is not going to over simplify it. She urged the Board to follow through on the construction as scheduled.
Charlotte Friedland, 2411 South Lee Avenue, Melbourne, Past Chairman of the Melbourne Library Board, advised she has served on the Library Board for approximately fifteen years; Commissioner Ellis thinks he has been beaten on for a year and a half; but the stepchild, the Eau Gallie Library, has been beaten on for ten years. She stated it has taken years to get on the long list for construction or remodeling; it has taken more years to get on the short list; and finally they made the short list, it was approved by everyone, and now there are worries that it will not be able to proceed. She stated all the libraries feel the same. She stated Commissioner Cook talked about Orange County libraries; but Orange County is not 75 miles long. She stated the libraries are well used; the books are appreciated throughout the County; and new buildings are easier to maintain than old buildings. She noted the Eau Gallie Library is almost 30 years old; in order to put a new book on the shelf, a book has to be taken off; and that is a deplorable situation. She urged the Board to support continuing with the plans to proceed.
Commissioner Scarborough stated Commissioner Ellis is right in that this needs to be monitored; the Board shares his concern; but the Board has a responsibility to move forward as a community. He stated historically library projects have proceeded through the County Library Board and to the Commission as to needs; and the Board had extensive study and discussion at that level. He stated it came to the Board as a package; and if the Board wants to cut up the package, it will not be good for the County or the Commission, and it will be divisive and harmful.
Motion by Commissioner Scarborough, seconded by Commissioner O'Brien, to direct that the planned library expansions continue as previously committed by the Board.
Commissioner Ellis stated this meeting is the first time there have been budget figures showing there is a cushion so if there are cost overruns, it will be possible to run the libraries and keep the hours open.
Commissioner Cook stated asking questions is good; and Commissioner Ellis brought this up. He noted he is a user of the libraries and supports them, and is a former teacher. He stated any time you are doing eight projects at once at a cost of $10 million, you should have some scrutiny; and he has the same concerns that Commissioner Ellis has. He stated he does not know if it is sound to do eight projects at once; he supports the new construction at Cocoa Beach, Eau Gallie, Meadowlane, and Stone; a commitment was made and the need is there; but he has serious questions about the additions and whether they are as critical as they may seem. He stated this is a huge amount of money to spend all at once; and inquired why the additions have to be done at once. He inquired why cannot the County start with the new construction and then take a look at the additions.
Commissioner Ellis stated the main thing is there is finally a cushion; and the .18 mills is $2 million a year as a cushion.
Commissioner Cook stated that is a projection; he can understand the new construction which is necessary; but the list looks like a wish list. He stated it is hard for him to understand why all the additions have to be done at once; and he cannot buy that the additions are critical. He stated the Board should move forward on the new construction; but on the additions, he does not see that as a critical need in this County when it will be necessary to spend millions to expand the jail, and when there are infrastructure needs. He stated it is hard to justify why eight projects had to be done at once. He stated he read the minutes of the past Commission meetings; he is not sure it is sound to do all eight projects at once; and he would prefer doing the new construction, then taking another look at the additions. He stated it is not pro-library or anti-library; the County has to meet its needs; and the County has more public libraries than Orange County, plus seven college libraries that are open to the public.
Commissioner O'Brien stated the reason the expansions have to go along at the same time is they are just as critical as the new libraries; and an example is the Merritt Island Library. He stated the Merritt Island Library presently does not even meet ADA Codes; it is 26 years old; the air conditioning is shot and it does not have heat; and it is so undersized that people who want books have to reserve them two to three months in advance. Commissioner O'Brien stated the community has its own MSTU tax to build an expansion for the library; and it is critically needed just to meet ADA standards, let alone address the other problems. He stated Cape Canaveral started its library by a condominium, and worked for years to build the present facility which is undersized. He stated in a period of five years, the Cape Canaveral Library has increased circulation by 117%; they started with 50,000 patrons, and now have 90,000; and the growth in the community is phenomenal.
Commissioner Cook stated he does not know what the rush is; and suggested moving forward with the new construction. He noted Merritt Island may be one that needs the addition; and suggested the issue of the additions be put on a future agenda. He stated this is ten to twelve million dollars of taxpayer money. Commissioner O'Brien stated the Board already voted; it is already bonded; and it is a done deal. He stated if the Board waits any longer for some of the repairs, the cost will go through the ceiling, and the County will never be able to afford to get it done. Commissioner Cook stated the community may need libraries in the future; Commissioner Ellis is right; and he is not comfortable with the pad. He stated it is amazing that Commissioner Ellis got a 20% decrease in the millage just by asking questions; and if he had not asked the questions, there would not have been a 20% decrease in the millage. Commissioner O'Brien noted Commissioner Ellis is not the only one asking questions; and he asked quite a few himself. Commissioner Cook stated Commissioner Ellis brought this up as an agenda item. Commissioner Cook stated libraries are mom and apple pie; and the Board can divvy up libraries on every street corner; but at some point, the Board owes the taxpayers an explanation on how it is going to meet the other needs that will have to be met.
Chairman Higgs called for a vote on the motion. Motion carried and ordered unanimously.
The meeting recessed at 9:23 p.m. and reconvened at 9:36 p.m.
APPROVAL, RE: BILLS AND BUDGET TRANSFERS
Commissioner Cook requested the County Attorney review and report to the Board on the invoices with regard to the landfill. Chairman Higgs inquired if Commissioner Cook means the $79; with Commissioner Cook responding, yes. Commissioner Cook stated the legal fees relative to the landfill are escalating; he understands the people are experts; and inquired if more of this can be handled through the County Attorney's Office. He stated the County will have to pay this because it has already been billed and the work has been done; but the Board has not even made a decision on the landfill; the Board is still looking at options, and staff is working on it; and yet, thousands of dollars in legal fees are being run up along with the evaluation. He stated he would like to see more of this go through the County Attorney's Office, especially in the preliminary stage.
Chairman Higgs inquired if Commissioner Cook would like to direct the County Attorney to respond to the request for additional County Attorney's efforts to be put into the landfill issue as opposed to using consultants.
Commissioner Cook stated with regard to the $250 for the helicopter check on page 14 for Mosquito Control, it does not seem like the proper bookkeeping procedure; there is a receipt which just says paid in full, and is not signed; and while he will approve paying it, there has to be more stringent controls with regard to these types of things. He stated it seems sloppy from a bookkeeping standpoint. County Manager Tom Jenkins stated that should have been pre-handled in advance of the ride, and not paid with cash. Commissioner Cook stated that is something that could be scheduled. Motion by Commissioner Cook, seconded by Commissioner O'Brien, to approve the Bills and Budget Transfers as submitted; direct the County Attorney to use additional in-house attorneys rather than using consultants on issues relating to the proposed landfill; and direct that in the future more stringent bookkeeping procedures be used relating to the commercial check ride for the Mosquito control helicopter.
Commissioner O'Brien stated he sent an E-mail to Mr. Jenkins relating to the stack of bills he received for people who transcribe for the courts; they charge $3 a page to do transcriptions; then the lawyers have to order a copy of the document; and the County is charged $1 a page. He stated he was told that is the customary fee; but the actual cost would be approximately fourteen or fifteen cents; and the profit margin is approximately 750% on a document that is already done. He inquired what can the County do to advise this is outrageous, and the County will not pay these kinds of bills. He stated this amounts to thousands of dollars. Commissioner Cook concurred; he did research on this; the Chief Judge sets the rate; and the Board could direct staff to ask the Chief Judge why it is so high. He noted according to the Florida Statutes, it is at the discretion of the Judge. Commissioner Ellis noted the Chief Judge also selects the official court reporter. Commissioner Ellis noted the Clerk also charges $1 a page for copies. Commissioner O'Brien suggested maybe the Clerk should not charge that much. Discussion ensued on the charges for copies. Mr. Jenkins noted there may be different charges for the Clerk's court operations; and they charge what is allowed by Statute. Commissioner Cook stated staff can ask the County Attorney and the Chief Judge how he sets those costs, and indicate that is a lot of money.
Chairman Higgs called for a vote on the motion. Motion carried and ordered unanimously.
AGREEMENT WITH ICF INCORPORATED, AND AUTHORIZE ISSUANCE OF WORK ORDERS, RE: CONTINUING CONSULTANT SERVICES
Motion by Commissioner Cook, seconded by Commissioner O'Brien, to execute Agreement with ICF Incorporated for continuing consultant services; authorize staff to issue work orders to ICF Incorporated for projects listed in Exhibits A and B of the Agreement; and authorize staff to issue work orders within defined parameters. Motion carried and ordered unanimously.
DISCUSSION, RE: LAST MINUTE PAPERWORK
Commissioner O'Brien stated Commissioner Ellis brought up an important issue; he is facing the same problem; when he gets to the Government Center for a meeting, there is a stack of papers to read that reflect upon the agenda; and he does not have time to read these last minute sources of information. He stated the Board is trying to conduct the $650 million business called Brevard County government; and it is given information which may be pertinent, but there is no time to read and review it.
Commissioner Ellis stated he got critical information the day before the meeting; and it was not a peripheral issue, but the gist of the agenda item. Commissioner O'Brien stated if it happened to him, he would be mad. Commissioner Ellis stated the whole point has been if the millage goes toward the state cap, how are the libraries going to stay in business; and the day before the meeting, it drops two-tenths of a mill. Commissioner O'Brien inquired is that correct. Commissioner Ellis stated he assumes it is; but Mr. Lamar's comments were interesting in that there is a person on board to do the financial planning and analysis; and that is what needs to be done.
Commissioner Cook stated it is clear that there will be a heightened level of scrutiny with regard to all of the library projects and expenditures; and that is justified.
Commissioner O'Brien stated that is not the point; the point is the Commissioners are receiving the information at the witching hour; and Commissioner Ellis got caught in a terrible trap when he should have had accurate information six months to a year ago.
Commissioner Ellis stated if you go to the capital improvements plan and the budget, the projected millage was as he had in the agenda item; he asked a couple of months ago about projected employees, and got back 37 employees; and all of a sudden it changed. He inquired why were these things not cut first, and then when the projects are done, see what you have.
Commissioner Cook stated the County Manager is going to address that. He stated he asked for some information yesterday, and was told it would be handed out at the meeting.
Commissioner Scarborough stated any time there is construction, these scary things happen; but the point is the information is constantly in flux. He stated the first time he became concerned was the Cocoa Beach project; and that is when he sent the memo to Mr. Jenkins. He stated just because there were assurances tonight, he knows whatever he knows is going to change; and some times it is because staff did not run a number correctly, but sometimes it is because it is like shooting at a moving target. He advised of past experiences. He stated he is still frightened of the situation; the Board does not want this to fall apart; and if it starts to fall apart, the Board wants to know about it to be able to reorganize things early. Commissioner Ellis stated as of yesterday, there is a cushion available if it does get into a problem. Commissioner Scarborough stated he does not trust any number he sees. Discussion ensued on the accuracy of numbers. Commissioner Scarborough stated he wants to see tighter controls; and if there are not the people to do it, then Mr. Jenkins should hire the personnel to do it. He stated the Board can only get as good information as staff provides; and Mr. Jenkins can only give as good as the people he has; and he has not been comfortable with some of the people. Commissioner Ellis stated if staff feels the library projects are overburdening them, then the County needs to add another person to make sure the jobs are done right. Chairman Higgs noted the Board asked that at the budget hearing last year; staff was directed to review and report if there was a problem with construction personnel; and they reported staffing was adequate. Commissioner Ellis inquired if that was coming from Facilities Construction or Library Services; with Chairman Higgs responding from Facilities Construction. Commissioner Ellis stated he disagrees because Facilities Construction has a lot of projects on the table. Chairman Higgs stated that is why she asked the question; staff responded there was adequate personnel to supervise the projects; and she can do nothing but proceed based on that response. Commissioner Cook concurred; and stated if staff needs more people, they will come back. He advised if there is an open invitation to get more people, who would not take advantage of it.
Mr. Jenkins stated Chairman Higgs did ask that question a year and a half ago; but at the last budget session Mr. Vislay requested additional staff. Chairman Higgs stated he asked for a secretary. Mr. Jenkins stated Mr. Vislay asked for people to do clerical work and additional staff; but as a result of the Board's discussion tonight, he will get an assurance from Mr. Vislay whether he needs additional staff or not. Commissioner Cook stated he will not support additional staff; Mr. Vislay was hired to do a job; and a Commissioner initiated this, not Mr. Vislay. Mr. Jenkins stated the other consideration is inflation over which Mr. Vislay has no control; there has been a significant inflation rise in the cost of large commercial construction in the last six to nine months in Florida; and if that has an impact on the projects, no one can control that. He stated that can be reported to the Board in timely fashion; but it is not fair to hold Mr. Vislay or anyone else responsible for inflation in construction costs.
Commissioner Ellis stated when he set the agenda item, he did not know how the School Board referendum was going to turn out; if it had passed and the School Board started putting out millions of dollars in construction and renovation contracts in the County, the library costs would have gone off the end of the scale because that would have taken major contractors from throughout the state, but it would have been impossible to find plumbing crews, electricians, etc.; all construction costs would have skyrocketed; and the County would have been caught in the middle of that. Chairman Higgs stated no matter how good the County's projections were to start with if that had happened, there would have been impact, and the County would have had to be constantly aware of those kinds of things. She stated it is the Board's job to follow that and to know when to ask the questions. Commissioner Ellis stated that is why a cushion is needed. Chairman Higgs stated she does not disagree. Commissioner Cook stated he is not comfortable with any of the numbers; he supported the issue tonight because it was a prior Board action; and at the time the decision was made, those Commissioners were the elected representatives of the people. Commissioner Ellis stated next year when the rubber hits the road and the County gets construction bids in, they will be high. Commissioner O'Brien stated the Board is talking about numbers, but it had no time to look at it and question the accuracy of the numbers; and he is bothered by being given information with woefully insufficient time to study it and ask questions. Chairman Higgs stated the only thing the Board can do is to decrease the number of things it is asking for and the time frame in which it is asking for them, if it wants to have more time to do the issues. Commissioner O'Brien stated he would like to have information three or four months ahead, not two weeks. Commissioner Ellis stated these issues have been raised the whole time. Chairman Higgs stated Commissioner O'Brien's issue is the Board gets material and there is not sufficient time to absorb it; and the only way to control that is to decrease the number of issues. Commissioner Cook stated the County Manager needs to reinforce that the Board needs to make decisions on these issues and direct that the information be expedited to the Commission Offices; he called for information yesterday and was told it would be handed out at the Board meeting; and that is not acceptable. Mr. Jenkins inquired what issue was that; with Commissioner Cook responding it had to do with the Subdivision Ordinance. Commissioner Ellis noted at least that issue has two public hearings.
Upon motion and vote, the meeting adjourned at 9:59 p.m.
NANCY N. HIGGS, CHAIRMAN
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA
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SANDY CRAWFORD, CLERK
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